måndag 14 september 2015

Theme 1 - Post seminar

During the first theme I have read two texts: Plato’s Theaetetus and the preface of the second edition of Immanuel Kant's A Critique of Pure Reason. I have also participated on a lecture that mostly was about about Kant's A Critique of Pure Reason.

I found A Critique of Pure Reason much more complex and harder to truly grasp. Before the seminar I read the two text rather briefly and tried to find the important parts. I also did some research about Kant on the Internet. But just reading the text wasn't enough for me to understand what Kant actually is saying. The lecture did straighten some question marks but also created a lot of questions. But when all groups in the seminare had a joint discussion somethings finally cleared.

During the seminar we discussed a lot about how we interpreted Socrates statement "we see through our eyes and ears, not with our eyes and hears". Within the group we all had a similar understanding to this statement; that knowledge does not consist in impressions of sense, but in reasoning about them. Our senses alone are not enough to achieve knowledge, we need to process and reason with the raw sense data that we obtain from the outside world. We also discussed Kant's A Critique of Pure Reason. I brought up the topic of Copernicus and why his scientific discovery that we live in a heliocentric world is such a good example of our objects conforming to our cognition (and not the other way around). Copernicus disregarded the current beliefs (conceptions of history, society etc) and conformed the objects (scientific data) to his cognition of a heliocentric view of the world.

Now according to Kant there is a lot of knowledge in the world, that is his starting point and he never questions this. He doesn't care where this knowledge comes from. His big question is: how is this knowledge structured? He does so by examining the most basic things in the world (time and
space etc). According to Kant we cannot be truly objective in our understanding of the world. It is impossible and regarded as God's point of view. To gain knowledge we need to see the objects according to us. This leads us to a priory - attributes that can be assigned to objects without empirical knowledge.

Kant's phrase perception without conception is blind was discussed in the seminar.  The example of a pen came up. How do we define a "pen"? It is a physical object we write with. A pen is a common object so there exists a cultural context in the world that the pen lives in. But if you remove the world and the context - there is no such thing as a pen. There is an object with an extension in space. But the meaning “pen” is gone... Amazing.



10 kommentarer:

  1. Your explaination of your understanding is perfect and explict.In your reflection,you mentioned about what your group talk about on these two question,which makes your essay more naturallly.It is impressive to mention what seminar leader said in the class, such as "raw sense data","pen","God's point of view",etc.

    SvaraRadera
  2. thanks for the clear example about the pen. i had been really confused with those example in the class but you got me really clear here. i still wonder how Kant come up with the solution about the 'space and time' thing though. it just so smart that things in this world without our perception can be explain with these catagories he came up with it's amazing.

    nice job :)

    SvaraRadera
  3. Intresting post. I think it is intressting how we percept many concepts without any hesitation like the example you are mentioning with the pen. But sometimes I think these concepts can limit us to thats a pen, even if it might be a bit different. As an example I have a touchpen but is it a pen ? I can't write with it on papper.

    SvaraRadera
  4. I like your post and you examples. I want to focus on your thoughts about “we see through our eyes and ears, not with our eyes and ears”. Our sense are not enough to create knowledge, as you said, we need also our reason and our soul. For example a 1 month old baby cannot “see”. Also Kant suggests us to think in term of meaning and not in terms of fact, which is quite similar to Plato’s opinion about how we should perceive the world.

    SvaraRadera
  5. Hey Alexis!
    I think that you have done well written reflection with clear and simple explanations of the complex concepts that was brought up during this theme. I also think that the statement from socrates regarding seeing "through" your eyes is really interesting and i thought that it might have something in common with the old saying "our eyes are the windows to our souls". Until the next post-theme reflection it would be nice to hear about what questions that were cleared!

    Overall it seems like you have thought a lot about the different concepts and really have given time to understand them. Well done and keep up the good work!

    SvaraRadera
    Svar
    1. Hey Emil!
      Thank you for those wonderful words! I will soon indulge in the endless wisdom that is your blog. I'm looking forward to it!

      Radera
  6. I really like your explanation of the Socrates statement « we see through our eyes and ears, not with our eyes and hears » thanks to the Copernicus’ example. You well explained how objects have to conform to our cognition. Simple but efficient! Thanks for that!

    SvaraRadera
  7. Do you really believe Kant doesn’t care where knowledge comes from? That is not at all my understanding of him, instead I think him to be almost exclusively concerned with where it comes from. Most of his text is about how we know things, a priori of a posteriori. Other than that I liked you text. It was well balanced between recapping and your own thoughts.

    SvaraRadera
  8. You write: "According to Kant we cannot be truly objective in our understanding of the world. It is impossible and regarded as God's point of view."

    Now I think that maybe Kant means that we cannot perceive the whole of the world, we simply do not have all the senses and conception to make sense of the whole of the world. Although we do have some senses and conception, and by studying how these work and how the mind works, we can gain some objective knowledge of the objects.

    So I agree with what you write later: "To gain knowledge we need to see the objects according to us", but with the addition that it is possible to gain some objective knowledge!

    SvaraRadera
  9. Hi,

    Thank you for your text. Of the nine blog post I have read no one wrote about that Kants was not interested in viewing the world as God. You did a good explanation of a priori knowledge. Kant also taked about synthetic a priori which I find interesting. Your example of the pen almost leads to theme 2 where we discussed what a pen would be without a concept - Nominalism. Putting a pen into the concept "pen" is to distort the image of that pen. But Realism is to admit that these idas/concepts are real, that the characteristics of the objects exists independent of us knowing them.

    SvaraRadera